Estelle Matthews: Well, after women give birth, many of them can’t wait to get back to their pre-pregnancy shape, but for those women who love their pregnant bodies, there is now the perfect opportunity to capture their unique shapes forever. Everlasting Castings is a company specializing in plastic casting pregnant women’s baby bumps. Well, I’m joined in the studio now by Tammy Peters from the company. Alongside her is a model Francis Kinloch who is 38 weeks pregnant and is here to have her belly cast. Well Francis, are you looking forward to this experience?
Francis Kinloch: Yeah, I am game, I am game. I've been taking photos all the way through. So this is the ultimate at the end.
Estelle Matthews: Do you know much about it?
Francis Kinloch: I do, I do. I’ve done a little research online, so but Tammy was explaining a little bit, it sounds really interesting.
Estelle Matthews: So as you’re sitting next to the expert, Tammy do tell us how on earth did you first come up with this idea?
Tammy Peters: Oh! That came up when I was pregnant with my first child Lucas five years ago. Basically, I was quite big. I put on quite a lot of weight, three a half stone and my bump was huge and so I thought I’d like to capture it in a different way that you can’t really get from a photograph or a video. So I’ve got an artist friend and she had done some plastic cast work with faces. So I thought she must be able to do my belly. So I asked her to do it and we managed it in my bathroom at home.
Estelle Matthews: Then did the idea of the business hatch from there?
Tammy Peters: Well, what happened was I had quite a few friends, they got pregnant and they wanted ti done as well. And so I did it for them and it was a bit like a hobby to begin with and then a kind of grew and so it turned into business.
Estelle Matthews: Now I’m sure everyone is desperate to see what they are really like. So here are some of the belly casts and you don’t just have to just have a straight forward belly cast, you’ve have made all sorts of, there is a football there or a light. Talk you through your inspirations.
Tammy Peters: Well some people just like to have their belly done. They don’t particularly wants to show their boobs anyway. So I came up with the way of doing the belly and then turning into an object that they can use. Other people just like to have their full torsos done and they decorate it and hang it on the walls of the nursery.
Estelle Matthews: So what’s the most bizarre request you’ve had for a belly cast?
Tammy Peters: Well actually, when the European Football competition was on, I had one who liked it painted like a football. So it’s just a big football with green and a goal post --
Estelle Matthews: Now we will be seeing a demonstration in a while with Francis, but just talk us through what are the requirements? What you need to do if you want to have one of these done and how much does it cost, where do you have to go, give some idea?
Tammy Peters: Right. Well, I’ve got the website which is www.everlastingcastings.co.uk. You can order one online or you can come to the studio and can just have. Basically, they’re 35 pounds if you want to buy the kit and all you need to do is to have a nice big belly, like 37 weeks is about the best time to do it and then you just smooth yourself with Vaseline all over where you’re going to cast. And then the process just involves layering a plaster bandage which, you just deep into warm water, and you need someone to help you do it. So it’s good for your partner to get involved or maybe your friend and you just lay the strips on and after a short while the whole cast will harden and then you can pull it off. This is very easy to do.
Estelle Matthews: It does sound a bit messy. You showed the DIY option is a good thing.
Tammy Peters: Well in the kit, I include plastic sheets that's tucked into your knickers or trousers and nice 6 foot X 6 foot or 2 meter X 2 meter plastic sheet for the floor. So unless everybody can stop throwing things everywhere, you probably will not a make a mess anyway. The other thing to remember is that you must sit down, you must sit on the chair. Don’t try to stand up because you have to keep quite still and we experiment 37 weeks pregnant, you could find if you actually try to stand up the whole ways through. So basically, that’s it. But it’s quite easy to use even my son has helped me when I had my second child, my son helped my partner do my cast. So he loved doing this, he’s got involved in split it all around and enjoyed do it.
Estelle Matthews: Right. But there is the option of having it done professionally.
Tammy Peters: Yes.
Estelle Matthews: And you can easily have it done in bronze, can you?
Tammy Peters: That’s right. We’ve got the bronze option here, that costs a sort of bit more money because that’s a trickier process much more involved, but that can be done as well. I also decorate the casts and if you want to come in and have a session, it costs 50 pounds. It’s slightly just a bit more than if you did yourself, but at least you get, exactly what you’re going to get.
Estelle Matthews: Okay. So obvious questions, it’s not going to harm the baby in anyway, is it?
Tammy Peters: Not at all. Basically, when the plaster bandage is wet, if the baby moves the plastic bandage will move with it and because of the Vaseline, once that cast is actually set the Vaseline too, if the baby moves, the cast will lift. So there is not going to be any kind of compression thing going on at all. So you don’t need to worry about that.
Estelle Matthews: Practically speaking, do you need to prepare your body in any way or is it just literally the Vaseline job?
Tammy Peters: No, just Vaseline is fine, fine. Probably get stretch marks afterwards. It's also if you have any --
Estelle Matthews: Let me just ask you, does it still sound fascinating to you, now you know the practical details? _
Francis Kinloch: It does. I’m out for having these on record as well.
Estelle Matthews: Well they are, but that’s they will be.
Francis Kinloch: Exactly, I want the whole thing done. It sounds really like a quite a simple process that you almost could do on your own in some ways, but fun to get your partner involved as well too.
Tammy Peters: It is difficult to do on your own. So when you do it, need someone to help you because once it starts hardening, you can’t move your own forward very much even -- you wouldn’t be able to get --
Estelle Matthews: Now Francis, this is an unusual job for you. You’re a professional model. Did you expect to be working this late in your pregnancy?
Francis Kinloch: I actually had kind of taken my leave a couple of weeks ago and then this job cropped up and I just thought, it’s just I’ve got to do it. It doesn’t sound like work at all.
Estelle Matthews: Yeah and this time it’s bigger than better which is unusual for a model, isn’t it?
Francis Kinloch: Exactly, that’s right. It’s a complete offset actually maternity modeling to normal modeling because they want you at all to hang out. They want to see that bump in its glory.
Estelle Matthews: Now how is your pregnancy going? Have you enjoyed yourself?
Francis Kinloch: Yeah, I’ve had really, I’ve been really blessed with a really nice pregnancy all the way through, a little bit of nausea in the beginning, but other than that it’s been really healthy. I haven’t felt sick or heavy or anything. I’m just trying to get a little fatigue now and I can tell what women mean when they say they’re cooked or they’re dying. I think I know what they mean now.
Estelle Matthews: But I love people will want to be informed or they’re be fascinated by a model growing larger because your job is about being slim.
Francis Kinloch: That’s right.
Estelle Matthews: Do you had in it’s all over and you’re really feeling quite comfortable.
Francis Kinloch: There was a couple of months where I was still doing normal modeling, but then I was growing and kind of out of my jeans. My jeans were having trouble kind of doing up at the top. And yeah, that was kind of go into casting, so knowing but not being able to tell anyone. That was kind of awkward. I’ve enjoyed it and actually I found people on jobs, the jobs in general, the people are so caring and nice to you and there is very less competition, so it’s been really quite a joy to do and be able to do this maternity modeling as well.
Estelle Matthews: Are you closely looking at celebrity moms, who get their shape back in, what appears to be a couple to months?
Francis Kinloch: I know, I’m kind of wondering how that’s going to happen. Everyone’s told me that breastfeeding is a great way to lose the weight and I’m not going to stress myself. I don’t want to give myself six months maternity leaves, so I’m going to try to enjoy and hope that the way comes off and then if not exercise is the best way to lose weight at all times --
Estelle Matthews: Maybe your belly cast will serve as a reminder, that you need to get back into shape but have you thought about what you want your belly cast decorated with?
Francis Kinloch: I have it. I really like the kind of the plane went down at the front here with the hands, that’s a very pretty one. I thought it might be a nice kind of nursery decoration, so maybe tied in with the colors that I’ve used in the nursery or whatever and then I kind of thought those like a long-term use for them as well. You can bring them out when you have a teenager for embarrassing kind of -- later on.
Estelle Matthews: Yeah, you may not want this one but how does your husband view your bumps. Some men go one way, some go in the other.
Francis Kinloch: He was quite, it’s kind of freedom out at first I think. When you’re married to a model I guess who is kind of aware of their figure or what not I think going the other way was quite a different state for him but he is quite proud now. He had me come out to the pub last night to show off to all his mates. So he is okay. It’s a first time for him so I’m sure it’s a little bit awkward for them to get use to the extra person in bed with you along for the ride.
Estelle Matthews: Well, it will be anyway a couple of more weeks for you.
Francis Kinloch: That’s right.
Estelle Matthews: But you will be coming home with the special package today, what do you think he is going to say?
Francis Kinloch: Yeah. He has sounded really excited about it. I think I’m kind of camouflage right now but I think when you have this kind of concrete thing in front of you, it's quite --
Estelle Matthews: Yeah. It’s very good to look back actually months later when you are busy with the baby and you don’t need to think about it and then when you’ve got it, you just can’t believe that you’re actually that big because you do get used to off. After the nine months, you just get used to the weight that you’re carrying around, you don’t need to think about it.
Tammy Peters: Yes. Then you can’t relate back to it, can you?
Estelle Matthews: Yeah. So it’s a very good thing --
Francis Kinloch: It kind of like you did it for each pregnancy to see how different each pregnancy was.
Tammy Peters: Yeah. Well, I didn’t put any where near as much like the second time and I didn’t know why maybe because I had to go. That’s not good for business. I know. I did want every month to see how I changed. That’s quite a different.
Estelle Matthews: Fascinating. First of all, we get on with Francis. I know you’re going to go and do a belly cast. We’ll catch up with you a bit later, but are you ready for some action. Good. Now Tammy, we’ve got Francis all greased up. She has got Vaseline all over her belly.
Tammy Peters: Yes, she has.
Estelle Matthews: It’s time for you to take it a way.
Tammy Peters: Okay. First of all, we’re going to start with the top and we’ve got our stripes already cut. So first we’re going to dip into warm water.
Estelle Matthews: And for those familiar with taking their children along to the hospital for a plastic cast.
Tammy Peters: Yes.
Estelle Matthews: It’s exactly the same stuff.
Tammy Peters: Yes. It is the same stuff. Put it down would be reminded that it is the same stuff. We just lay it on. It’s just very simple. You just lay it on and smooth over. It goes hole, you can see it’s little holes and you just make it nice and smooth.
Estelle Matthews: Right.
Tammy Peters: We just basically apply the layers like this. So do the next one. You’re just dip in just for a couple of seconds.
Estelle Matthews: Do you need to get rid of the moisture as you go along?
Tammy Peters: Yes, you need to basically get it wet enough so the plaster gets activated, but then you want to actually get rid of the drips, otherwise you'll just end up, it would be quite slippery on the floor. You don’t want it to be too slippery.
Estelle Matthews: Presumably, the home kit is for any size bump.
Tammy Peters: It does. I’ve had friends and customers that had twins. My sister will actually have twins. My sister is good friend of mine and it was enough to cover their bumps.
Estelle Matthews: Brilliant. So in the kit, talk us through what’s in the kit? So we know exactly.
Tammy Peters: Well, there was the plaster bandage. It’s a nice easy width to manage I think and then you get the plastic sheeting for the floor which is two meters by two meters or 6 feet by 6 feet and then it’s the legs and knickers protector I call it which Francis has tucked into her knickers and covering her legs, so that there are no drips. She is not fully covered.
Estelle Matthews: Is it feels wet so far?
Francis Kinloch: It feels quite cool. Yeah, this is a first time sensation.
Estelle Matthews: Unusual, let’s leave it at that. I think you have to keep the end result. So just close your eyes for a bit.
Francis Kinloch: I’m waiting for the fruit bowl.
Estelle Matthews: Yes. Right!
Tammy Peters: The other things in the kit are some final gloves, there a medium pair, medium size pair and the large pair so that she has got. You’re partner might have bigger hands, and then they’ll fit him too. And then I also have Vaseline which you need. You need to apply the Vaseline quite thickly because you don’t want the plaster bandage to stick to any hairs. So it’s good to put nice thick layer like your channel swimmer I always say. Then I also have a picture hook on which you can hang a cast on your wall. So that’s what’s in the kit.
Estelle Matthews: How long is this entire process? Obviously, if you’re a bit of novice, it’s going to take bit longer than you’ll take today?
Tammy Peters: Well, there are full instructions as well in the kits and they basically tell you exactly what to do. I would say from start to finish setting up and clearing up and doing natural cast should take about an hour. It should take not more than that. So now I can do a little bit quite quickly enough because I’ve kind of got used to the process.
Estelle Matthews: Now as we compare dyes and products, cosmetic products, are there any allergies to people have to be careful of this?
Tammy Peters: Well, I do suggest that you do a patch test on Vaseline and the plaster bandage just in case, but --
Estelle Matthews: Because pregnant women are quite sensitive anyway to the skin.
Tammy Peters: They are quite sensitive but Vaseline is a feline product and most people have actually used it before. So they do know whether they’ve got problem with Vaseline and they use plaster bandage on new born babies. They do have operation, so it’s actually quite safe for pregnant women and anyone really.
Estelle Matthews: I suppose by the time you get to the end of this. The water is going to be cold, isn’t it?
Tammy Peters: Well, it’s not too bad usually. It’s not too bad.
Estelle Matthews: Now do you find that people often ring you up for advice because it is fairly new thing, isn’t it?
Tammy Peters: Yes, some people. I do have some people, but not too many to be honest. People do tell to themselves what they need to do, so it’s quite detailed in these photographs and the instruction as well. So it’s fairly clear cut.
Estelle Matthews: I suppose it it's fun to get kits involved, any other kits you’ve got?
Tammy Peters: Yes, that’s true. So they do love it. They absolutely love it. They’re fascinated by it and even in decorating afterwards. They quite enjoy doing that. You can do if you got older siblings, you could do the hand prints on the belly. So it’s quite nice. You can do maybe the baby’s foot prints, so then other siblings hand prints around it.
Estelle Matthews: How quickly to decide to take off?
Tammy Peters: Well, the idea is been around for a while actually, but I suppose I’ve been sort of running the business for about a year and a half. So it is just actually gaining momentum now. I did the baby show last year and that really was quite an irony because I thought quite lot people might heard of it, but they haven’t really. So nine out of ten people had never heard of it. So now it’s becoming more widespread and people will actually do know about it which usually met with laughter and if we talk about it, so it’s quite --.
Estelle Matthews: It is a bit of quite nice. Well, isn’t it?
Tammy Peters: It’s quite as well. Yes.
Estelle Matthews: Especially, some of the designs that you’ve come up with because it is supposed to be fun. You’re not taking it too seriously.
Tammy Peters: Yeah. It’s a celebration of pregnancy. It’s nice to remember it. Some people they’re not being pregnant but a lot of people do. I think older pregnant celebrities in the magazines all the time and I think that everyone is quite fascinate of pregnancy normally. They like to see.
Estelle Matthews: And, as you said earlier, look back and think oh, that’s all over.
Tammy Peters: Yeah.
Estelle Matthews: End results probably better.
Tammy Peters: Do I actually like that usually?
Estelle Matthews: What about you Francis? Is anything happening under there? Is that baby’s got rumblings of what’s going on?
Francis Kinloch: Seems okay right now. But I actually keep sucking in. I don’t know. So I’m going to release. I’m on camera and I’m going to get all hang out.
Tammy Peters: That just fit actually.
Estelle Matthews: At this stage, if you suddenly think well actually, I want to bronze done. Can you use this cast?
Tammy Peters: Yeah. This cast is used. The bronze is taken of the inside, so it’s even more accurate than the plaster casting. It’s done with resin and it basic completely in case the cast because it’s not water proof obviously. In case in resin, then the cast is made from that.
Estelle Matthews: So if you get carried away with your artistic creation, then you can send it off to be bronze.
Tammy Peters: That’s right. You can.
Estelle Matthews: So when you exhibit, do you actually have a model there or do you just could bring your work alone to the exhibition.
Tammy Peters: Yeah. No I take the casts with me. I just basically take the casts along with me and just display them.
Estelle Matthews: You don’t find too may people sensitive about the whole idea.
Tammy Peters: No, I haven’t, not at all. I haven’t had anyone complain or anyone sort of be rude or anything. People just think it's a bit of fun. They quite like it. So maybe the people who came and just talk to with us and basically I haven’t really had any negative think that, people just think as a bit of fun.
Estelle Matthews: Now getting back to the job in hand, how tout do you have to make it over the belly?
Tammy Peters: Well, not really. Not stretching it to this, not really any stretch and it goes itself, so you’re just relying on and you just want to make sure they don’t increases. That’s what I’m trying to do. I’m trying to smooth out any holes in the goals because very fine cotton goes which is sort of impregnated with the plaster of Paris. So I’m just trying to smooth it out, so that the finish at the end, the nice smooth finish.
Estelle Matthews: But I fascinated with this stage of 38 weeks, the baby is fairly active, but does it still go a bit wobbly towards the end?
Tammy Peters: Well, I think at 38 weeks I’m go actually much more room and so that she quite tight in this. So it’s more worrying about practicing hicks’ contractions, I think that it might go harder than release. So it’s really not too much a problem. When you actually get drenched in the bump, you want the strips to be nice and long so they go from one side to the other, so you don’t get some seams in the middle.
Estelle Matthew: About how many layers you need all there?
Tammy Peters: Well, I would say two to three on the bump, on the whole thing to make a nice strong cast. But I also recommend that you strengthen the edges, specially the bottom edge because before you start hang on old ones, it’s drying. You’ll probably stand on the bottom edge, so I was always make sure that I fold over the last. I’ll show you in a minute, when I get there.
Estelle Matthew: So it's going to crumble.
Tammy Peters: Yeah. So you want it to be strong at the bottom so that it doesn’t sort of bend and collapse, but it’s quite light weight actually when it’s dried out. It’s quite light weight.
Estelle Matthew: So from the time you’re doing the top half. Obviously, the top half is starting to dry as you work down.
Tammy Peters: Yes.
Estelle Matthew: So in total, how long will you need for it to dry?
Tammy Peters: Well, I would say from the time you start to the time you finish. I would say, it’s about 30 minutes, 40 minutes. It depends on how quickly you can actually get the stripes on. But once you take the cast off, I recommend you leave it to dry properly so it's nice and bone dry for one or two days. Now in hot weather it's probably going to be one day. But in the winter may when it's -- you haven’t got so warm to put it, then may be two days because you don't really want to start decorating until it's completely dry.
Estelle Matthews: Now, when we come to decoration, what materials can you use? The normal paints or?
Tammy Peters: Well you can use anything you want. I use spray paint, cast spray paint, but I usually -- to get a smooth finish, because the plaster bandage has it's own finish which I like to smooth out, and I get plaster of paris mixed out with water, so that it's bit like consistency of custard and then, I paint that on with a paint brushes with a normal household paint brush. And so that gives a nice smooth finish and then you can sand it down, just with normal sand paper and that's what kind of get rid of any rigids and any little bumps that there might be.
Estelle Matthews: It's looking wonderful already, isn't it? How about, what you need to wear? This is a perfect answer is it here, having shorts and plastic covering.
Tammy Peters: Yeah, you can wear underwear, you can wear your knickers, you can wear shorts. So people can wear trousers because the plastic sheeting does cover all of your leg, so it's fine. I wouldn't suggest wearing any jewelry or particularly nice shoes, because you might get your drip.
Francis Kinloch: Do people go further down?
Tammy Peters: Yes, you can actually, you can but the thing is if you go further down then you probably would need to stand up and I really don't recommend standing up, because at this stage of pregnancy, you could quite easily faint. In fact, when I had mine done, because I had one on each month and I really felt like, if I had stood up, I would have fainted definitely.
Estelle Matthews: Do you get that, Francis do you feel quite faint at times?
Francis Kinloch: I haven’t -- once or twice standing up too quickly but, I have been lucky enough not to have too much trouble.
Estelle Matthews; It's all that extra blood swimming around and down
Francis Kinloch: That's right, that's right.
Tammy Peters: If try now --
Francis Kinloch: Sit straight.
Estelle Matthews: And do you know, what flavor your baby bump is yet? No, it's a secret.
Tammy Peters: It's a secret.
Estelle Matthews: If you obviously have to kind of stand up in between it's going to effect what the work you have done so far, is it? So is it best to just sit down the whole way through or if the --
Tammy Peters: Absolutely yeah, I think so because even as you try and bend to stand up, you are going to squeeze it.
Estelle Matthews: Actually it feels great, doesn’t it?
Tammy Peters: It's a nice thing to do, it's quite relaxing.
Estelle Matthews: And I think that's something I thought would happen, is being plastered that it would heat up, but it doesn’t.
Tammy Peters: No, it doesn’t heat, and this works in the water because obviously I want to make it comfortable for Francis.
Estelle Matthews: Yes, and that's the chemical reaction happening there as well. Well then, this is the pack over here. So I am going to have a quick look at while you continue and so this is the pregnant belly in casting case. So I'll show you actually Francis so, but what you could give and if you made so this turns out well and as you said earlier, so you have got the bandage is here, the Vaseline and you have got the --
Tammy Peters: Plastic sheet, hanging floor, and this plastic, legs and knickers protector I call it, and then, gloves for you and your partner. So wear the gloves just to protect your hands from the constant immersion in water and the plaster bandage, but I don't bother wearing them, but I just put that in case, if you do want it's fine.
Estelle Matthews: So we have got everything we need to make the perfect belly cast in here and how much is it again?
Tammy Peters: 35 pounds.
Estelle Matthews: Right. So you are done, I mean you have it hanging in here.
Tammy Peter: Yeah, everything you need basically and the ribbon that comes around the box, you can use to hang it on the hook.
Estelle Matthews: So very neat and compact there, isn't it?
Tammy Peters: You can keep the box afterwards and put babies photos in it, or something.
Estelle Matthews: We can get that presumably on your website.
Tammy Peters: Yeah, that's right.
Estelle Matthews: How are doing down there?
Tammy Peters: Want some help this side, thank you.
Estelle Matthews: If it does kink, can you take one off, or by that time you just can simply work on it?
Tammy Peters: Yeah, it's usually okay, if there's a little bit of the kink it doesn’t really matter, you can just put the next one over the top and it will go. But if one is a complete disaster, then it will obviously take off, fairly quickly it'll be fine.
Estelle Matthews: But it's not like, pastries if you over it completely collapse.
Tammy Peters: No, no, no. I'll tell you what. When you actually put the plaster into the water, when you lift up again, try and hold it like that in your hands so that it doesn’t kink, because when it does kink it's hard to unravel it. So that doesn’t happen. So you do kind of get the knack quite quickly though, I think.
Estelle Matthews: And the great thing is there's no stain with this, you can just wash It off, with water.
Tammy Peters: Yeah, and even if it gets on your clothes it comes out in the wash, it's not a problem.
Estelle Matthews: I can just see around this side you're bending the bandage back over, is that so? It's neat down one side.
Tammy Peters: Yeah. Yes, really. If you do fall on either side, then the edges will be stronger. I also like to make sure that I do get from one side to the other, nice and smooth.
Estelle Matthews: Well I notice there is a gap here, will you be working around there in a minute.
Tammy Peters: Yeah, I am going to come down this side now. And I tend to get some of the short pieces, and I put them down the side as well, so that you got a bit more plastic down the edges and then you can get a nice neat line as well.
Estelle Matthews: I mean is there any cutting and shaping, afterwards?
Tammy Peters: You can actually. In fact if you do want to cut it to shape and you might have the odd bit this, so hanging out the edge perhaps. Just get pair of scissors and just cut it. And it's in fact easier to cut it straight away until I let it to dry because it's quite hard and can’t cut it quite so easy.
Estelle Mathews: I hope you are not going back with a train today, it would look rather odd.
Francis Kinloch: Me and my friend.
Estelle Mathews: So you're going to get through all of these?
Tammy Peters: Probably no.
Estelle Mathews: No.
Tammy Peters: Probably not, I cut it just case, but Francis is quite compact.
Francis Kinloch: No, I don't feel it.
Tammy Peters: No, you are, you are. So I don’t think I'll need to get through all of them. There is nothing in kit for someone who is having twins.
Francis Kinloch: I hope there is no twins in there.
Tammy Peters: No, if it is surprise no, wouldn't it? Now this bottom corner here is quite an important corner. It's one that when the cast is off, it can get knocked quite easily. So I suggest you do put quite some --
Estelle Mathews: So many layers in this corner?
Tammy Peters: Well I would put 5 really, I would probably get almost smaller piece of fold over. Like this if I show you, just got that fold it over, if it's on the corner. And then so that you don’t see that they are looking a square corner there, you can just put more pieces across the top-side so that it hides it, without just give you a nice strong corner there. Let me see -- I think if I do the bottom on -- now on the bottom I like to fold over this.
Estelle Mathews: This is before you dip this in water?
Tammy Peters: Before, yeah, because it's very difficult to do after this, actually.
Estelle Mathews: Right. This is the technique we did.
Tammy Peters: This gives you a nice sort of double layer. And also if you use the fold, the fold inside along the bottom, then that will give you a nicer finish than the rough edge rather. Right so.
Estelle Mathews: And you really show one person do this.
Tammy Peters: Yeah. It doesn’t dry really quickly, you got time.
Estelle Mathews: Not even inexperienced person I just say.
Tammy Peters: No, I think it's quite easy. My partner managed to do.
Estelle Mathews: With the bottom giggles along the way.
Tammy Peters: Yeah. Well I am just smoothing that in. Now I am going to keep going just so we get nice smooth finish and just small cross in the middle. Now, another thing that happens actually put more layers on, the plaster tends to get smoother and smoother, because all the wet plaster is underneath.
Estelle Mathews: Kind of merges in.
Tammy Peters: Yeah, all merge in together. So it does actually get smoother and smoother. You get quite a good effect with smoothing because with your hand. I mean I even get, just put my hands in the water sometimes at the end, and I'll just apply just water that helps to smooth.
Estelle Mathews: So far, no splashes in your hair?
Francis Kinloch: I am trying to feel like a mummy a little bit.
Estelle Mathews: Mrs. bump.
Tammy Peters: Can you feel it drying on the top?
Francis Kinloch: Yeah, yeah, on the top.
Estelle Mathews: How does it feel when it dries?
Francis Kinloch: It's just a little bit more like you feel a bit more constrained, but it's not unpleasant. I am not feeling any pulls or what not, but that's so you can probably get the drink.
Tammy Peters: If you do find that you have missed a bit of Vaseline should go and your cast is sticking through in a certain place then all we need to do is just pour a little bit of water down the cast, and try and release it.
Estelle Matthews: It's not going to slide of you?
Tammy Peters: No, it doesn’t. If you just pour it a little bit then you should be fine, and you will find that it just completely releases it and makes it so it's not painful, otherwise it's like taking the plaster off.
Estelle Matthews: Just like papier-mâché if you done it with kids you realize that sometimes you can leave a little bit this very thin and a bit kind of crinkly, I suppose you can then use some of this to tough it up at the end.
Tammy Peters: Yeah, absolutely. And if you just miss a bit, if you just hold up to a light you can see where it's a bit thinner and you can just apply more -- probably apply more from the inside, actually said, rather than put it on the outside, because you've got a nice smooth finish on the outside, you need to be quite careful to, so just do it from the inside, and then there shouldn't be any problem. She is nearly done. I am just going to do this corner now. Now, I need to wait a little bit to make sure that all of it has dried.
Estelle Matthews: I am glad to see you're sorting to be splatted with the plaster there. Starting to get fidgety.
Francis Kinloch: No, so far so good. This is not too bad. They say you supposed to sit like this in pregnancy, you kind of up and forward, and out.
Estelle Matthews: After birth, good preparation and I am jumping a head of it. I am absolutely fascinated to know how you get this off one piece?
Tammy Peters: Okay, it's best to hold it from top and bottom actually, here and here, because if you hold it here it can -- if it's still a bit damp, it can fold in and you don't want that one to happen. So but I mean it's actually better to wait another 10 minutes to make sure it's definitely dry, have a cup of tea or glass of water or something, and don't try and take off too soon, because you really don't want your work to be ruined. But you kind of just pretty back on again, just put it back on again, and try to fix it, if it did fold. So it's a lot easier to fix it, you are actually wearing it. Okay. It's a bit long actually, we can fold it a little bit. Once I get done underneath, so we're going to fold it in that way. If you need to fold at each side and just fold it in or then folding up and then that will give it still be nice and smooth.
Estelle Matthews: I can really feel it, it's starting to harden now. You are about to see it now. You can actually get to know people who have had a children with broken limbs will know that kids usually choose the color of plaster. Have you ever try to work in the color stuff?
Tammy Peters: I don't know, the fiberglass stuff?
Estelle Matthews: Yes.
Tammy Peters: No, I haven’t yet actually, but I have got some metal mesh stuff like, because people do talk about looking like Alma, like a coated arms.
Estelle Matthews: Fantastic!
Tammy Peters: So I need -- find someone who wants the coated arms done and then I think that will be quite nice to do. I hope there is a crease in the arm just to show what happens did you get the old crease.
Estelle Matthews: Just stop breathing in.
Tammy Peters: It's quite hard to sit still there for half-an-hour when you are pregnant, I think.
Estelle Matthews: Definitely! Which is the fidgety stage now.
Tammy Peters: I always recommend you go to the toilet, before you start. Just have an enough glass of water. Don't do at the end of the day when you are bit tired, so at the beginning of the day. It's quite nice to take photo as well when you took off the cast off. So you can remember.
Estelle Matthews: When your baby is about 5 or 6, having a real giggle at you.
Tammy Peters: It was first with me in my bathroom when I was having it done, it was quite funny.
Estelle Matthews: Your children didn't tease you yet then --
Tammy Peters: No, because it's part of his sort of life. He is just sort to think it's quite normal, plaster casting in his vocabulary. This is the normal thing that people do.
Estelle Matthews: Well, I have a nine-year-old who would be excruciatingly embarrassed at me if I was even thinking about it. That’s the stage when they start to think, oh, no embarrassing.
Tammy Peters: Alright, so let me have a look around the other side to see how it doing. There is a little bit of crease on this side here, I am just going to apply little one just to sort of cover up.
Estelle Matthews: I am getting the hang of this, it's really fun.
Tammy Peters: Okay, I will try the whole body suit next.
Estelle Matthews: Does it pick up enough definition, for example, the various curves in inside. I mean do you see enough shape?
Tammy Peters: Yeah, I think you do. I mean the bump when it is done from the inside so that it's a more accurate, it really is, but because we are talking about quite big smooth curves here, so you do capture enough, I mean I think a lot of people want to capture the size more than anything else. So it really does represent that perfectly.
Estelle Matthews: But we are getting nice and messy now, it really is a messy business, isn't it? You got it on your face. End result, think end result. How many more do you think it needs now?
Tammy Peters: I think I am pretty much there actually. What I am going to do now is I am going to dip my hands in the water.
Estelle Matthews: You get the hair drier out.
Tammy Peters: No, I am just doing so ---
Estelle Matthews: Oh, I see.
Tammy Peters: It just gives a smoother finish.
Estelle Matthews: So this is where the model herself can get involved.
Tammy Peters: And if you want to paint off to it, you can sand it lightly to just get rid of any big bumps and then paint it. Once you've painted it that actually get through any sort of the coarse holes there and gives you a smoother finish as well. Okay, I think -- there we go. Okay, so want a bit there -- we cut off there, because that's the example that we are going to cut off.
Francis Kinloch: Great.
Estelle Matthews: Wonderful! So now it's the waiting game.
Tammy Peters: Now, it's a waiting game. Yes.
Estelle Matthews: So just again what tests out when it's done, when you cooked?
Tammy Peters: Right basically, it's the tucked test.
Estelle Matthews: Can I help you.
Francis Kinloch: Yes,
Tammy Peters: Here, you can hear that. The difference. Here it is still wet so that's just not going to happen yet. So probably about 10 minutes to wait, maybe until it's all dry before you can take it off.
Estelle Matthews: Well Francis, it's been 15 minutes now. How is the feeling?
Francis Kinloch: I am feeling cooked, it's hard.
Tammy Peters: Okay, that's good.
Estelle Matthews: Even down the bottom here.
Francis Kinloch: Down the bottom, yeah.
Tammy Peters: It's good, that's what we need to look out for.
Estelle Matthews: Okay Tammy.
Francis Kinloch: Lots of movement.
Estelle Mathews: Are you ready for this?
Francis Kinloch: Yeah.
Tammy Peters: So basically we need to hold it at the top and at the bottom.
Francis Kinloch: I am going to shift my part.
Estelle Matthews: Does it feel stuck in any?
Francis Kinloch: It did, it does a little bit but then you can kind of move your --
Estelle Matthews: There we go.
Tammy Peters: So there we go.
Francis Kinloch: Vow!
Estelle Matthews: That is amazing, isn't it. Oh! Well done Tammy.
Tammy Peters: You didn't realize how far you come out.
Estelle Matthews: Are you definitely going to take this to home?
Francis Kinloch: Oh definitely, it looks so much bigger than, I mean all I can see is this bend here. So to see --
Estelle Matthews: Let's have a profile, let's have a look. Excellent!
Francis Kinloch: Oh I think everyone should order these.
Estelle Matthews: And amazingly in a few weeks time you just will never believe you ever been there.
Tammy Peters: No, no.
Francis Kinloch: Oh vow!
Estelle Matthews: That's just wonderful. Well thank you Tammy that really is an amazing thing to do.
Tammy Peters: You are very welcome, you are very welcome. It's been good fun.
Estelle Matthews: Would you recommend it to other woman?
Francis Kinloch: Oh definitely! I just blown away by this sheer size.
Estelle Matthews: That's wonderful! Thank you so much, thank you, thanks a lot.
Francis Kinloch: Thanks!
Tammy Peters: You are very welcome!
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