Male 1: Sometimes we give transfusions to kids with various reasons thalassemia, a disease about the trait and you accumulate iron at a certain point you have to take excess iron out of the body or is going to do some damages. Is that true?
Male 2: That is true. The patient’s two or three population of the patient’s will require as part of agenda and management. Transfusion is over the long period time and prevention for life. The typical example is patient’s so called thalassemia major which is a disease that is affecting people who come from major CBM new released on the way into the fax study in the act and further at least need to sometimes they leave to China. These patients in order to maintain a good level of hemoglobin and not suffering from their disease will require to be transfused generally every three to four weeks. Iron which is an important component of our body is strange in one way to be an antibody, meaning our body is very eager to take it in because it is living, yet has essentially no way to get rid of it. The only way we know we can get rid of the blood is to bleed and so patients who receive transfusion essentially end up with a lot iron than is suits in your body. This iron is actually is very toxic.
Male 1: So, in other words doing something good and you get a little problem. Now, how do you handle this excess iron.?
Male 2: The problem with accumulating iron is handling by essentially using molecules that are able to bind and is to capture the iron in the body and because of this structure are also able to bend the secreted heme and have to. The ability to either go into the urine or the stool of the patient, so that the iron can actually be.
Male 1: So, you do some chelation. Is that true?
Male 2: Correct. The name of our diet is chelation.
Male 1: Until recently there was a thing called EDTA, it was yours. It is not easy to get. Could you explain how you would give EdTA if you are going to use it.
Male 2: EDTA is actually a molecule that will not be used by the rain man in iron over load, but is used and has been used for the management of the man.
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Male 1: That poisoning is strictly off.
Male 2: And EDTA is something that requires a hospitalization that requires been given to an intravenous line over the time. Rules that have to watch patients with screening carefully because knowledge of the EDTA is not aids very specific for iron.
Male 1: So, basic tips of almost every heavy metal, we hope we do not take too much of something you need.
Male 2: Correct.
Male 1: So, you get to watch the electrolytes.
Male 2: Right. It goes essentially first things like calcium which a chemical composition of calcium of such strength is similar to iron may and not be taking out by this molecule in excess and by the same thing to derive a number of other metals in the body that are present in small amounts.
Male 1: Like mercury and what iron?
Male 2: A number of others have some of that actually at function.
Male 1: Is that so? You just cannot go to the doctor’s office, get an IV and walk out and say this is chelation. Is that true?
Male 2: Correct and also as anything else in Medicine, but particularly this situation where you are dealing with this molecules to that, a very small amount, but they are very important and to give chelation to somebody who does not need it. The risk some very significant side effects and significant problems. People have eventually done blind, and deaf. They may have some immediate problems. Some of them eventually immediate life threatening then affect the minerals.
Male 1: It can cause renal to death necrosis. It is associated with hypotension and convulsions. The rigor 5:05 because of the calcium and other things that takes out of the body. Severe allergic reactions and here is the worst part you might survive going into kidney failure the rest of your life. Maybe even the trans benefit if the kidneys fail. This is not of benign therapy. There were using it. I heard. We got calcium plaques to your bodies. Some say chelations and that can turn up to be true.
Male 2: Absolutely.
Male 1: In fact, the state boards of most states when you are doing chelation for anything, but what we have mention lead poisoning or iron toxicity from you are doing. You are going to brought in charges.
Male 2: Right. I mean, the only two areas where chelation is relevant and eventually a life saving or a disease thing, we needs this lead when there is excess aluminum and lead in the blood.
Male 1: And the sole level it is good, but we know we have levels we live with.
Male 2: Right. And even with life verses, we know that there are certain low lead in the blood that are considered still a watch, but the reason why we are looking at that from considering it as a watch because we want to take the child away from the environment that they have leads. So, in search to the red flag it gets raised.
Male 1: In that case, you get the kid’s iron because the iron competes to the same storage area, but with that excess, the doctor is a Catholic because iron is toxic. So, I have a question for you. You did chelation and you are very careful. It is controlled on a hospital situation and you are worried when you do chelation. You can do some good. You can do some harm out there. I do not know why. People think you can take it too a slight mercury level, which is probably inacceptable range. You chelate the kid. You are going to kill autism. If I had a kid with autism, I would be reaching for strives of a little good place and people swear that the health of kid improved. If you check all his electrolytes, you might get some change in the behavior and because this other things with autism at the same time and the kid approves, you may not be sure what made an improvement to the kid because you chelated over a year and you also did a BA therapy. You did this thing and that thing. So, you are not sure what is worse.
Male 2: We again, here is a major issue of high approach problem in order to define anything and that is unusual that you should have a prove of this studies and although I am not expert in autism I do not believe that there has been any double blind control.
Male 1: I cannot find more.
Male 2: You know, that I would suggest that any chelation is appropriate. In addition, the drugs that are used for chelation in this very specific and we end up only indications is really a situation whether it is either excess iron.
Male 1: If a doctor build an insurance company for chelation and autism, he will not get paid. Would it?
Male 2: Perhaps an expert in that area and I guess it is now.
Male 1: I would guess he would begin heavy metal poisoning and say it is lead or something else and bill for that. So, if a doctor who would do fraudulent billing and he has a lot of money in this. This is not a cheap therapy. Is he intellectually honest? Now, I heard one patient who gave me an e-mail or the guy who is doing it and fairly charge me a $25.00 lock in the front door and he is building and insurance company. I will be looking concerned on what he is doing. Maybe he is not really chelating. Maybe he is seeing this kid. He is giving some coco mania in the eye view with salt and water and the kid is getting better and you do not know.
Male 2: Anytime that people go and do the essentially take the therapy center, I really did not have established it for which there is no really scientific support. They put themselves at risk of potential black bearing under from a doctor or not.
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