Interviewee: Yeah.
Interviewer: You did so many things and you have just been around with so made it from projects, it is the Mark David Chapman.
Interviewee: Right.
Interviewer: How could you involve on that?
Interviewee: Well, I was doing work for news papers. As an Illustrator, you go down as many Avenues as you can and I love getting involved in all different kinds of things.
Interviewer: Right.
Interviewee: And I was going to news papers like the post in the daily news. They hire a Court Artist that they have on a rotating basis and they call you when a Court comes -- a trial comes up buy they are interested in and you basically report and get the story and show up to the trial. And, I was called in for that particular trial and I found out really fascinating.
Interviewer: So what was that like?
Interviewee: It is really very cool because you go in there and you sit there and you get to listen to such detail that when you know,
Interviewer: Yes, sure.
Interviewee: The detail you have to go in to such minutia that you have to go through in order to prove a case and you get to watch all the legal system working.
Interviewer: But as the artist, what is it that you are really looking for?
Interviewee: You book at the personalities and everybody has a certain ways that they move that the characteristic to their personalities and they always hit certain poses.
Interviewer: Right.
Interviewee: Because that is how they are comfortable.
Interviewer: Right.
Interviewee: And what I would do is I would pick up on after watching them, what poses are most as they talked, what poses are most occurring,
Interviewer: Okay.
Interviewee: And then I would sketch that, and it was just amazing.
Interviewer: Do you still have the sketches? Do you save them?
Interviewee: Unfortunately, I do not because I think they would probably I should call the news and get those sketches back.
Interviewer: I think you have a room of --
Interviewee: Yes, I do have a room with a lot of my stuff in it, a lot of it is in flat files.
Interviewer: Do you have an Emmy in that room?
Interviewee: I have a letter that states --
Interviewer: A letter? [Laughs]
Interviewee: You have to actually pay for the Emmy.
Interviewer: Really?
Interviewee: Yes.
Interviewer: What was the Emmy for?
Interviewee: It was for the main title design for the upside down show which is a N O G G I N it is filmed in Australia.
Interviewer: Okay.
Interviewee: It is a comedy team that --
Interviewer: What was your contribution?
Interviewee: I did them logo. I did the title design for it.
Interviewer: What did you do for an Emmy for?
Interviewee: For main title design, it was animated, the way they animated it was really interesting and that is but one. That is pretty cool.
Interviewer: And so you have a certificate that says that you won an Emmy?
Interviewee: Right.
Interviewer: Do you have an Emmy?
Interviewee: I do not have the Emmy. The Emmy is in the office of the production place that I worked with which was Bob Schinkel
Interviewer: The Emmy being held hostage until you pay? And then you can put it up somewhere in the house?
Interviewee: Yes.
Interviewer: It might be worth it,
Interviewee: Ah,
Interviewer: No.
Interviewee: Yes.
Interviewer: Be kind of cool. Boxing matches?
Interviewee: Yes, I worked -- when I was working with the news papers during Court Trials,
Interviewer: Okay.
Interviewee: I also worked with news papers doing, showing up the golden gloves, and I would sit ring side and draw the boxers and Christy Brinkley would walk around with the numbers and it was --
Interviewer: (Inaudible)
Interviewee: Yes, it was awhile ago, but it was pretty scary because I hate blood and you do not have to be like --
Interviewer: Yes, you know, it is a -- I have been to a few boxing matches and if you are not in to that?
Interviewee: No. It gets pretty nasty.
Interviewer: Yes, okay.
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