Kay Vao Train: All got and my popping up or it's my headaches got worse, my neck hurt, head to ear ache, it was just bad. A friend of my daughters' had been coming to Dr. Jolley and I had no idea who can treat TMJ, that's what my dentist told me out there. So she said, even if he can't help you, you will enjoy talking to Dr. Jolley, he is so kind and so nice. Well, they are, absolutely.
I told you him on my second visit, I said, I've never seen such a wonderful group of younger -- and so nice. And I told him that, they are very precious, everyone of them. I have no more headaches, I have no more ear aches, the back of my neck, which was so bad like doesn't hurt at all. I've had a pain in behind my back for years and years. I was told that I had to cushion out of my --
For the last four weeks, I haven't had single pain, back pain and I was shocked. I just can't believe that these retainers, they doesn't call retainers, I forgot what they call them, but I can't believe that they are helping this problem. I was 86 when this all happened and now may be 87 now, I never dream that anything like this could happen.
Mike Wiegenstein: Dr. Jolley, we have to take a quick break. When we come back, I want to talk a little bit more about her case. But before we go, I want to ask you, do you get personal satisfaction out of helping these people?
Dr. Roy Jolley: Absolutely.
Mike Wiegenstein: You're watching Medical News Network. I am Mike Wiegenstein. We are in studio with Dr. Jolley and we'll be right back.
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Mike Wiegenstein: Welcome back. We are in studio with Dr. Jolley talking about TMJ and sleep disorders. Hi Doc, before went to the break, we ran the clip of the Kay, 86, 87 years old, obviously someone who is at a point in their life and thought they might beyond hope or not be helpable. What is a typical TMJ patient like?
Dr. Roy Jolley: Typically TMJ can affect young people, we see as many young people as we do elderly. In her case, she had multiple symptoms, headaches, neck aches, that spot in her back that she referred and just had learned to live with the pain and just had kind of given up on life. Well, you can imagine if that's happening when you are 25 years old and people think you are crazy because you have headaches all day and you can't find a reason, you've been to neurosurgeons, you've been to ear, nose and throat.
Mike Wiegenstein: We've got another clip that I am going to show next. This lady said, they even sent her to -- well, let's listen to what she had to say and then we'll talk about it.
June Owens: Six years ago, I developed terrible, terrible constant debilitating headaches. I went to numerous doctors, pain management doctors, neurologists, dentists, orthodontists, just continues, and even they have even sent me to a psychiatrist to see if they can get something to relieve the pain. Nothing worked. I called Dr. Jolley's office and talked to his staff at length and knew that they were -- I could tell that they knew what they were talking about as far as TMJ was concerned. So I thought well, I'll make an appointment, go in and just see if think he can do this job. I talked to him and within three visits; we totally had the headaches under control.
It was a miracle to me. Well my symptoms were not what you normally have with TMJ. My jaw didn't lock, I could get my mouth all the way open, I didn't had any pain in my jaw, my head just throated, but I could press on my cheeks and up with these muscles around the face and I could trigger a headache. I went to numerous doctors and the solution was just to give me more medicine. The appliance was a little hard to get used tom but it was not painful, none, zero pain, no pain.
Within 48 hours after I put it in my mouth, my headaches were gone. If I take it out of my mouth, in an hour, my head throated again. So I just dumped out without any needs for comfort in my life and it's not a big deal at all. I don't even notice it anymore. Oh, yes, I am in a better mood, I am much happier. They are wonderful. They are so nice and so down to earth and friendly. He is my hero. The best money I've ever spent in my life. I would do it. In a -- I've spent three times more money. The beautiful thing is the implant does not interfere with my daily life at all. It's wonderful.
Mike Wiegenstein: Alright Dr. Jolley. I spoke to a ton of people when I was in and unfortunately we're not going to have time to see them all but they all continue to repeat basically the same thing. She said, she consider it a miracle and they've actually send her to a psychiatrist because they thought the pain was in her head. Is she a typical patient?
Dr. Roy Jolley: Well, there is really no typical patient. A patient, you can have TMJ at any age. I wish I had a dime for every time a patient say to me, this is a miracle because it doesn't make sense you put a simple orthotic in the mouth and you get relief of all these different symptoms. She's been to a psychiatrist. We have women who come in and say, my husband thinks I am crazy, I have these headaches and no one can found out why.
Mike Wiegenstein: Is it normally affects just women?
Dr. Roy R. Jolley: No, absolutely not. We see as many men as we do - well, actually about 60% women, about 40% men and don't ask me why?
Mike Wiegenstein: Okay. I don't mean to. We have to move on and I want to, you make it sound simple, as all I do is putting an orthotic, they all make it sound really simple like, all you have to do is put a little orthotic. It's really a lot more complex than that is, isn't not? Isn't there not special equipment?
Dr. Roy Jolley: Right, yes. Let me make another point. You can practice TMJ therapy if you don't have the right equipment, one of the things that --
Mike Wiegenstein: But you can practice TMJ therapy if you just happened to be a dentist. There is --
Dr. Roy Jolley: That's correct.
Mike Wiegenstein: It's not a recognized specialist.
Dr. Roy Jolley: That's correct.
Mike Wiegenstein: Any dentist can say they are the --
Dr. Roy Jolley: Any dentist can treat TMJ.
Mike Wiegenstein: But to treat it correctly?
Dr. Roy Jolley: You have to have the proper equipment. If you will show, here is a CMT, which where we take X-rays of the TMJ joint and the neck and the shoulders and all these, this is only three of these in Arkansas. We have only three in Arkansas, I have one of them. Then the joint --
Mike Wiegenstein: So would it be, if I was looking for a doctor to treat TMJ, would it be good to find out if he had this machine?
Dr. Roy Jolley: If he doesn't have that, he is guessing.
Mike Wiegenstein: Kind of guessing.
Dr. Roy Jolley: This is joint vibration analysis, which is a sensor that we place right over the TMJ joint, have the patient go through ranges of motion, have them move the jaw and it picks up and senses vibration in the joint which is this movement and based on what -- and this is a software course. This tells me what type of -- where you are in that stage of degeneration that we showed in the earlier clip. So if you have the right equipment, you can make a proper diagnosis. Diagnosis is everything; you must diagnose correctly to treat correctly.
Mike Wiegenstein: But it seems that all these people I have been to and everybody I talk to in your office said, they have been to multiple doctors, they have been to all kinds of different neurologists and all seem to think at the end of the rope. And when they get to you, nobody believes that you can fix it that way. Do you hear that all the time?
Dr. Roy R. Jolley: I do hear that all the time. Of course, that's one of the frustrations I have as a practitioner in TMJ is that people don't know to come to the dentist, they have headaches, where do you go? You go to neurosurgeon, you go to your general physician or you go to ENT.
Mike Wiegenstein: And most of them are well over.
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