Female Speaker: Do you remember that thing we did; I think it was probably the very first day you came?
Kevin: Oh, the circle?
Female Speaker: The circle. Would it be okay if we do it again and see how it has changed, if it has changed, in a sense to try to put back things into perspective?
Kevin: Yeah, I guess.
Female Speaker: Okay. Again, there is no right or wrong here so whatever the pieces of the pie you come up with and whatever big they are is what it feels like to you right now.
Kevin: It seems my list got a little bit longer.
Female Speaker: And that's probably not a coincidence. Yeah, the list has got the longer and rugby has shrunk. Would you say?
Kevin: Yeah.
Female Speaker: You also have coaching here as a possibility which --
Kevin: I have been helping out at the school. I've going home, where I'm going back to school, we've got a university team.
Female Speaker: I'm wondering if looking at this and remembering what the first time was, see if that makes sense to you. I'm going to tell you my impression of this. It seems as if initially the question was, can I still do this? Now the question seems to have shifted to do I really want to do this? Is it worth the effort?
Kevin: Now I still want to do it, but you're right, it's the effort issue, I guess, is what's hurting me now.
Female Speaker: Hurting you?
Kevin: Well, not, hurting is a bad term, well, seeing my list would increase in number of things that play on me, things that I have, that are important to me, things that are not just a fact rugby has kind of shrunk in importance but the fact that grad schools has increased. Plus I've added -- maybe I shouldn't have added the coaching but then are the grad schools has allowed me to have contacts and colleagues. Rugby is great to talk about but some of these other things are becoming important to the stuff I'm working on at grad school and the context that I'm making.
So I'm beginning to see maybe something else out there besides the rugby and to be quite honest, I know -- well, I maybe haven't accepted this, I know that rugby is ending. I know it's coming to a close as far as being a competitive top class player.
Female Speaker: How does it feel like to say that?
Kevin: Don't feel good at all. I don't like saying that. It's been so much a part of what's I've done for so long. So it has been at least 35, it's now higher as far as a percentage of what's been important to me.
Female Speaker: It's not necessarily in the sense that rugby is not important, I think rugby would always be important to you, but it seems to me that, there are a number of other things that are also becoming important to you. So it doesn't seem so much like well I don't like rugby any more, it is there are all of these other things that are also very important and increasing. Probably, that's what feels like the real target. It's not like well I'm tired of this, now I want other one, it's like I still love this but I also want to do all of these other ones. Those same drills, like exactly what you said like your future. So if the rest is more of the future that makes rugby --
Kevin: Secondary.
Female Speaker: Of your past, or maybe it's always going to be a part of your life, but maybe coaching is one way that rugby is going to remain your present but maybe not taking so much time and effort and energy.
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