Terroir and French Wine Part 2

Gary Vaynerchuk: Matt, don’t kill your self, part two. Matt, can you see like the wine in there. Alright so, Matt, ruined this episode. No, I’m just kidding. So, we’ll do the supporter because we’re having fun, weren’t you? Just for 22 minutes in for one wine just worked out so Matt, the internet video blog dads were smiling down on you. Let’s move on to this Cornas. I’m pretty big Cornas fan, Stephane Robert, du Cornas which is Domaine du Tunnel 2006, 56 US dollars so, a couple of dollars. Robert Camuto: Yeah. Gary Vaynerchuk: 94 points wine expect here. That’s some heck of a score. Robert Camuto: Can I have a rinse? Gary Vaynerchuk: Yes. Robert Camuto: Because I still got the liquor. Gary Vaynerchuk: Yes, we’re going to rinse hard. Robert Camuto: Oh, okay. Gary Vaynerchuk: Oh, I’m sorry. Is that what you’re remembering? When you asked me if we can rinse now, I just want to do everything in front. Robert Camuto: Sure. Gary Vaynerchuk: Because you know, there might be left. Robert Camuto: Yeah. Gary Vaynerchuk: Oh, yes. We rinse it between every wine, absolutely. What is your take on Cornas? Robert Camuto: I love the expression of Syrah in northern Rhone. Gary Vaynerchuk: Yeah, I mean that’s incredible. Robert Camuto: And it’s great to follow it from the south and north to see how that changes and it’s beautiful. Gary Vaynerchuk: It gets much darker and more peppery and gets quite more intense. Robert Camuto: Yeah, longer, it should go north. Gary Vaynerchuk: No question. Robert Camuto: And that’s what I love. I mean when it comes more just a fantastic food wine that have like with a roasted chicken but with a real chicken that like was— Gary Vaynerchuk: Cut four seconds ago. Robert Camuto: Yeah. Gary Vaynerchuk: Like a headshot about four minutes ago. Robert Camuto: But I mean like a chicken that was born with wings and legs and a hat, not like the chickens that were born under like plastic which were successful. Gary Vaynerchuk: It’s crazy, isn’t it? Robert Camuto: Yeah, it is. Gary Vaynerchuk: One that was out there hanging out. Yeah, I understand. Cornas represents to me value. I believed there are 56 bones but when you start talking wines that get into the $80.00 to $120.00 a bottle range in the Rhone which you get a lot in northern Rhone, you know the real collector’s stuff, I always got the Cornas at its top level like a Tunnel was a real opportunity for playing a value that snuck up. This wine is really like 35 four or five years ago. But you can see it right away with its just enormous dark color, just pitch black. Let’s give it a sniffy sniff. Real, black pepper. Robert Camuto: Yeah. Gary Vaynerchuk: And white pepper actually where it’s got that classic pepper component going on. I also get bacon on the nose. Robert Camuto: I’m getting a pig’s tail wine. Gary Vaynerchuk: The pig is alive like a smelly pig. Robert Camuto: Yeah. Gary Vaynerchuk: Like you’ve just been hanging out with pig. Robert Camuto: Yeah, but in a good way. Gary Vaynerchuk: Yeah, like you jumped on a pig and a full round of pig. I mean, yeah. It’s barn yard. Robert Camuto: But the barn yard is very subtle. Gary Vaynerchuk: A little on the back end. I mean it’s the pepper that really takes the cake here on the nose. Let’s give it a whirl. Robert Camuto: Lovely wine but ready. Gary Vaynerchuk: Big tenets. Robert Camuto: Big tenets. Gary Vaynerchuk: But not bitter. Robert Camuto: No, but astringent. I think they’ll melt with time. Gary Vaynerchuk: Like 15 years. Robert Camuto: No, this is a bottle that I’d love to certainly have in the cellar to keep. Gary Vaynerchuk: I think this wine is spectacular. I’m going to disagree a little bit with my friend here because I’m stunned actually how drinkable this is. I agree with him that this is a baby. Baby would be an understatement but this wine’s approachability. This young is baffling to me, really. I think the tannins are firm but the silkiness of this wine brings—I mean this is like drinking pure silk. This is extremely smooth. The mid power transition of that black currant tell almost like this cassis, kind of like stew-like concoction on the back end, like just meaty and gainliness is so delicious and refined. I get heavy rose petal in the mid palate as well. It’s like a kind of floral. You’re starting to mix all the things I love so much, peppers, bacon, meat stewy kind of thing, but smooth like crazy smooth. Is it very smooth for you? Is my palate acting a little weird? I think it’s very smooth. Robert Camuto: I think it’s long, well-balanced like I love those long northern Rhone wines with food that’s just great but having it without food like I’m saying, too. I feel it’s astringent. I still think you know a little more time to let those— Gary Vaynerchuk: The wine will get better. Do you like it now? Robert Camuto: I liked it now. Gary Vaynerchuk: Listen, again. You don’t have to, really if you don’t, admit it. Do you? Robert Camuto: Yeah. Gary Vaynerchuk: You don’t like the priced wine. Robert Camuto: How much is this again? Gary Vaynerchuk: 56 bucks. Robert Camuto: For 56 bucks, I wouldn’t drink it now. Gary Vaynerchuk: You’re just saying to yourself because I know because you’re right. You can taste it and start saying to yourself, at 56 bucks, I have to put this way for three or four years because it gets that much better and since I’m making that kind of investment, I want to wait on it. Robert Camuto: Yeah. This is kind of like a beautiful woman when she wakes up in the morning. Gary Vaynerchuk: You like her more like seventh term. Robert Camuto: That’s what I’m saying, Gary. Gary Vaynerchuk: I understand. Robert Camuto: Can you understand? You know what I’m saying, I mean it’s not doing it justice. Let it get dressed and put on the outfit, you know. Gary Vaynerchuk: I’m the flip. I want the cold in the eye. I want it no make-up. Do you like make-up? Robert Camuto: Do I like make-up? Gary Vaynerchuk: Tell the truth. Yes, do you like make-up? Robert Camuto: Not really. Gary Vaynerchuk: I hate it. Robert Camuto: Yeah. Gary Vaynerchuk: That’s why I hate oak in wine. Robert Camuto: Yeah. Gary Vaynerchuk: I don’t know. I like your knowledge here. I’m going to steal that but this has much more potential. I actually think this is more like I better say this properly, an 18-year-old beautiful woman and maybe at 34, you know I wouldn’t go more at 18. That’s always I get so that might be more of the analogy from you because I really think this has big, long term potential but I got to be honest with you. I’m feeling this wine. I’m feeling it big time. I think this wine is spectacular. I like the length. I like the silkiness. I’m convinced that the far majority of people out there that tried this wine or you’ll be blown away. I think this is an absolute put in your self or put it away and believe it or not, I’m a conservative scorer. I’m going to go a little funny on here. I’m going to score this wine 96 points. I’m completely taken aback by this wine. I really am. I think this has enormous potential. The fruit is on point. The length is on point. The complexity is on point. I just think this is a spectacular bottle of Cornas and I really like it. Robert Camuto: Yeah, and on the make-up question, I would make an exception for like nail polish especially toe nail polish. I think it’s good. I think that’s acceptable. Gary Vaynerchuk: How about tattoos? Like a little one, like right here or something like that. Don’t lie, tell the truth. Robert Camuto: No. Gary Vaynerchuk: Matt, you don’t like tattoos? Matt: Not yet, boy. Gary Vaynerchuk: Slutty, like the trashy. Robert Camuto: But you know, somebody’s pimped out wines. I mean it’s ridiculous. I mean it’s like the make-up you can cut. There is too much hair spray. Gary Vaynerchuk: They’re like too much, that’s a plastic surgery. Robert Camuto: Yeah, and it’s like the boobs that don’t bounce like in Hollywood. Gary Vaynerchuk: Which is fine as well, I’m kidding. Robert Camuto: No, that is wrong. Gary Vaynerchuk: I don’t think any thing is wrong as long as it makes people happy. We’re going sidetracked on this. I want to talk about this wine a little bit more. I’m not kidding. I think this wine is spectacular and the dark fruit is amazing. This is one of the few wines. I think I just want to keep hanging out because I really want to drink this wine. I think this wine will evolve tremendously. As you know, we pretty much import this because we’re on tight schedule. I like it. Robert Camuto: Some of the tannins come from the wood, too. Gary Vaynerchuk: No question. Robert Camuto: I’m getting wood now. Gary Vaynerchuk: I’m getting a little bit as well. Robert Camuto: And we’ll just give it a little more time to just like it melt. Gary Vaynerchuk: Listen, you want to really be closer to speed. Every wine you drink is too soon by knowing that 99% of the people out there are drinking wines way too soon. This wine would be tremendous in 2020. Robert Camuto: Yeah, but let me give you a good example. Gary Vaynerchuk: Go ahead. Robert Camuto: You know, it’s a good example like I was in Burgundy last year. Gary Vaynerchuk: Yup. Robert Camuto: And all these guys were saying you know, “It’s a freaking shame.” All these people are coming to Burgundy are going “2005 was a great year. We want 2005. We want 2005” and they’re going but the half of it is going to be drunk. Gary Vaynerchuk: It’s a disaster. Robert Camuto: And like 2008-2009. It’s a disaster. Gary Vaynerchuk: It’s a disaster. Robert Camuto: Right, if you’re going to pay that money, give it, you know. Gary Vaynerchuk: Who’s got patience? Robert Camuto: Yeah, exactly. Gary Vaynerchuk: And who’s got space? A lot of them had, what do you want me to do? Robert Camuto: Who knows what’s going to happen tomorrow? I know. Gary Vaynerchuk: So, you know, it’s an interesting play. Alright, let’s move into the last one. I’m excited about this. I’m really surprised that you like that more and I know you didn’t hate or anything. I really liked it. Robert Camuto: Oh, no. I like it. Gary Vaynerchuk: Alright, some rinse action. Think about the rosé in there. Robert Camuto: Yeah, obviously you taste it there. Gary Vaynerchuk: You should know I love rosé. Have you been a rosé guy? Oh, you mean the rinse? Robert Camuto: No. Gary Vaynerchuk: Tell me what this is right here. Robert Camuto: Okay, here we’re drinking, there’s a guy in Gaillac by the name of Robert Plageoles and what he has done with his dad in— Gary Vaynerchuk: And who’s Bernard, is that the dad? Robert Camuto: Bernard is his son. Gary Vaynerchuk: His son. Robert Camuto: Yeah, and what his whole family has been doing for a couple of generations now is going back and finding the old varietals, the old cepage because after Phylloxera came in through in 19th century, wipe everything out and what did the people do? They said, “Oh, it’s our vine’s fault. Let’s rip them out. Let’s put in something that’s more productive, some crop, blah-blah-blah.” So, anyway, he’s gone back and found some of this. He makes beautiful things. This is something that’s not a— Gary Vaynerchuk: What is this wine made from? Robert Camuto: This is a varietal or cepage called Loin de L’oeil which in French means “far from the eye.” Gary Vaynerchuk: And where is that, right here? Robert Camuto: Yeah. Gary Vaynerchuk: What is that one more time? Loin de L’oeil. Robert Camuto: Loin de L’oeil. Gary Vaynerchuk: Loin de L’oeil Robert Camuto: Oh, you get it. It’s easy. Gary Vaynerchuk: I’m not going to do it again. Robert Camuto: So, all that means is that was the name that people gave to it because the fruit grew far from the end of the shoot. Gary Vaynerchuk: Sure, I said, “Oh, you brought a dessert wine” and you freak on me. It will punch me direct on the face. Robert Camuto: I hate that word. Gary Vaynerchuk: I was scared regardless. Robert Camuto: If I do anything today, it is to get you— Gary Vaynerchuk: To never used that word again. Robert Camuto: Never. Gary Vaynerchuk: So, what I’m going to do, just call it by what it is. Robert Camuto: Yeah. Gary Vaynerchuk: So, this is what it is. No, not this, I know that, thank you. I won’t be doing 300 shows but that was so subtle. No, I mean, if this late harvest reason just when I referred to a wine, I just referred to it as what it is and— Robert Camuto: What state of dry. Gary Vaynerchuk: So, it’s okay to call a sweet wine when I’ve tried one but not as a dessert wine because you feel that they should not be relegated to just being tried with dessert. Robert Camuto: Exactly, exactly. In fact, I think drinking some of these beautiful, nice, sweet wines with the dessert. Gary Vaynerchuk: Don’t say dessert. Just say pastry. Robert Camuto: Yeah, pastry. Gary Vaynerchuk: We’re just going to use the word. Robert Camuto: No, I mean you don’t want to have to say that. Gary Vaynerchuk: Society. Robert Camuto: Yeah. Gary Vaynerchuk: No, let’s go for the gold. Robert Camuto: Yeah. Let’s benefit from society but what I’m thinking is you didn’t get a nice, sweet wine and in France are called jerez you their leisure base residual sugar and it gives you an idea but you go to the war and they served that nice— Gary Vaynerchuk: Fresh harvest. Robert Camuto: Yeah, exactly with the fish and the sauce and they drink this on turn. I mean, you can have with or sweet wines, the beginning of your wine with nice cheese. Gary Vaynerchuk: How about mon dieu, late harvest Grenache, do you like some of those, with the chocolates? The Bandou? I’m using the wrong word. Banyuls, excuse me. Robert Camuto: Banyuls and Maury. Gary Vaynerchuk: Yeah. Robert Camuto: Great wines. Gary Vaynerchuk: I love Maury. Robert Camuto: Yeah. Gary Vaynerchuk: Are you Banyul fan? Robert Camuto: I like Maury more. Gary Vaynerchuk: Yeah. Robert Camuto: It peaks me a little more but you know some of those run chill wines. I mean you can have chicken, take a bottle, pull on the chicken and the other you drink it. Gary Vaynerchuk: How much more passionate or not more passionate but the whole wine, the food part is a big play for you clearly? Robert Camuto: Yeah, it’s huge. Gary Vaynerchuk: If pushing in the shelf, would you say you’re more of a food than a wine god? Robert Camuto: No. Gary Vaynerchuk: You’re more of a wine god than a food then. Robert Camuto: I would say— Gary Vaynerchuk: Or you would play now on both. Robert Camuto: No, I’m not going to play that but what I’m going to say is to me, there’s no other product like wine. Gary Vaynerchuk: How about tea? Robert Camuto: Tea? No. Gary Vaynerchuk: I’m telling you tea is a sleeper. Robert Camuto: Yeah. Now, but even if you go back to the Bible, look at all the references for wine, you know what I’m saying. Gary Vaynerchuk: I always say that, me too. Matt is laughing because I’m with you on that. Robert Camuto: Jesus made wine. Gary Vaynerchuk: I’m with you on that. I’m with you, that’s it. Let’s move on. Let’s face it. You’re right. Robert Camuto: What I also want to say is this can be a good dessert wine what we would formerly call. Gary Vaynerchuk: But formerly people that used to be out there call this our wine. Robert Camuto: It’s like prince and— Gary Vaynerchuk: Exactly with the symbol and that’s so funny. Robert Camuto: And shown up immediately so he’s like the guy formerly known as Pigeage. Well, this is the wine formerly known as dessert wine can be drank as dessert itself. Gary Vaynerchuk: No question or by itself altogether. Robert Camuto: Or by cigar. Gary Vaynerchuk: Do you like cigars? Robert Camuto: No more. No, I’m a dad. Gary Vaynerchuk: I never smoked. Robert Camuto: You will discover this as I understand. Congratulations. Gary Vaynerchuk: Thank you so much. Robert Camuto: You will discover this. You’re going to be a role model. Gary Vaynerchuk: I’m a role model. I’m going to be a role model to society a later on to my child. Robert Camuto: Yes. Gary Vaynerchuk: I’m serious. I dream big. Robert Camuto: Okay. Gary Vaynerchuk: Pepper mint flavored tangerines on the nose. I get tangerines and pepper mint, the pepper mint with the red and white candy. Do you smell that on the nose? Robert Camuto: Yeah. Gary Vaynerchuk: Is that crazy? Robert Camuto: Yeah, crazy. Gary Vaynerchuk: I drank half of it. I kept drinking a long way. Do you want a drink? Go ahead, you want to spit? I will get my bucket. This is really nice. I love the citrus play and there’s a little bit of like papaya-pineapple thing on the back end, good acidity. What are you picking up? Robert Camuto: What I love about it is it’s not cloyingly sweet. There’s a little bit of a back bone to it. Gary Vaynerchuk: The acid is there. You’re right. This is definitely not taking this because. It is but you’re right. This is not coping as we refer to yesterday’s show. There’s smokiness to this wine. I’m picking up almost like a chocolatey smokiness to it. Robert Camuto: Yeah, there’s a lot of complexity. Gary Vaynerchuk: There really is and what kind of place for you this wine? Not that bad. Robert Camuto: This wine I know they sold it in San Francisco. I just brought this on the plane, did a tasting last night in San Francisco with the book. Gary Vaynerchuk: How did it go? Robert Camuto: Great. Gary Vaynerchuk: The cloudiness there. Robert Camuto: We sold out nice. Gary Vaynerchuk: How much was it? Robert Camuto: They said this was $18.00 for half a bottle. Gary Vaynerchuk: I like this. This is 500 mL. Robert Camuto: Yeah. Gary Vaynerchuk: So, it’s even more than that bottle. I like this. This is a very nice wine, good fruit, good balance. I’m going to score 90 points. I think it’s a very good dessert wine for 18 bones. Robert Camuto: A very good what? Gary Vaynerchuk: I’m so sorry. Robert Camuto: Now, Gary. C’mon, I mean you got to practice now. Gary Vaynerchuk: I’m going to practice. This is a very good wine. This is amazing sweet wine from the Gaillac and I think it is a very good value play. I like it. Robert Camuto: Yeah, there’s a lot to discover in all the regions, France, not only France but— Gary Vaynerchuk: Spain. Robert Camuto: Other places, too. Gary Vaynerchuk: Italy but France is I’m with the Ellysian. They make some great, great wine. Robert Camuto: Yeah. Gary Vaynerchuk: Are you worried that the French wine market is trying to get more into new wave marketing and trying to figure out other some more wines at a global scale and people are getting into tricky packaging and a little cutie or do you feel like that’s only such a small percentage and that a lot of the old man and women are that are running around are going to know what happen to their area. Robert Camuto: I don’t know. I think that as long as we have these dedicated little guys that make their way. I mean you can't take that what the guys is going to do. Gary Vaynerchuk: And that’s why books like yours and shows like these and other people that exposed to these different wines are so important to keep these guys around. That’s a very big part of what I want to do. Robert Camuto: Yup. Gary Vaynerchuk: I want people to try new things because they now buy them because they’re good and they’ll save money and they’ll stay in business. It will be a nice thing. Robert Camuto: Yeah. Gary Vaynerchuk: So, we’re not only just drinking, let’s pick a grape varietal Riesling for the rest of our lives. Robert Camuto: Yeah. Exactly. Gary Vaynerchuk: Question of the day, fire away. You get to ask the vayniacs out there the question of the day as the guest, any thing you buy could any question about anything in the world. Fire away. Robert Camuto: Any question about any thing in the world. Gary Vaynerchuk: Any thing. They’re going to answer down below in the comments because they’re the best. Robert Camuto: Okay, can we show my book while I’m thinking. Gary Vaynerchuk: Right, go ahead. Of course, you can show your book and we can even link it up. Matt, link it up. Robert Camuto: The question of the day for all the vayniacs. I mean you realize what an awesome responsibility that is. Gary Vaynerchuk: I’ve ever guess this is how to do it so I don’t want you to cry about it, fire away. Robert Camuto: Okay, I’m still responding yes. Gary Vaynerchuk: Don’t worry, somebody’s pause break just knew this. Robert Camuto: And it doesn’t even have to be a wine question. Gary Vaynerchuk: No. Robert Camuto: Any question. Gary Vaynerchuk: Any question. Robert Camuto: Any question. Gary Vaynerchuk: Somebody asked what do you think about Alaska? So, don’t worry, they want to get them. Robert Camuto: That’s pretty basic. Gary Vaynerchuk: Well, here’s your one shot. Don’t look at me. Look at them. Robert Camuto: Okay, I just know I’m not playing all day but what do you— Gary Vaynerchuk: You have to say something about the vayniacs. Robert Camuto: They don’t care. Gary Vaynerchuk: They don’t want an excuse. Robert Camuto: They don’t want an excuse. Gary Vaynerchuk: They don’t care about your plane. They want a question. Robert Camuto: Okay, I got a question. What do you think, now this shouldn’t be bias, can I be bias in this question? What do you think of those freaking, ridiculous, automatic checking things that at the airport? Gary Vaynerchuk: It’s a good question. You mean like the clear path thing they got. Robert Camuto: Like there is no human. Gary Vaynerchuk: Right, there’s like a button and you just got through like that pass thing. Robert Camuto: No, now you go to check in at the airport in the States and you swipe your passport. Gary Vaynerchuk: You mean that awesome thing that you got in the terminals that franchise their ticket. Robert Camuto: Yeah. Gary Vaynerchuk: Yeah, that’s awesome. Robert Camuto: And you go swipe the thing. Gary Vaynerchuk: And then your ticket pops out and you go to the gate. Robert Camuto: Yeah. Gary Vaynerchuk: Yeah. What do you think about it? It’s awesome. You ask the question. Robert Camuto: No, do you realize a machine sees me coming and they say, “Okay, time out.” Gary Vaynerchuk: It’s going to break. Robert Camuto: We’re going on strike. Gary Vaynerchuk: Do you use a computer? Robert Camuto: Absolutely. Gary Vaynerchuk: Okay, so? Robert Camuto: Everyday. Gary Vaynerchuk: Listen, I’m giving my opinion. Robert Camuto: But there’s also that sort of like interaction with the— Gary Vaynerchuk: You like people. Robert Camuto: I like people. Gary Vaynerchuk: I love them, too. Robert Camuto: That’s the thing. I love people. Gary Vaynerchuk: I look at my ticket and get out. Robert Camuto: Yeah. Gary Vaynerchuk: But you don’t. You only lead them. Robert Camuto: I like the interaction when you’re starting a voyage. Gary Vaynerchuk: Is something because you want to cut a hit in your—because there are really quite nice looking ladies behind that ticket counter. I’ve seen this sparkle in your eyes. Robert Camuto: No, it’s more than maternal kind of thing like they’re not taking care of you. Gary Vaynerchuk: Are you scared to fly? Robert Camuto: Not consciously, well, maybe deep down, you know what I’m saying. Gary Vaynerchuk: I understand. You with a little bit of me you’re changing the wine world.