Jonas Hurst: Swaddling is an ancient technique that involves wrapping your baby in a blanket for warmth and security. Swaddling it’s also said has many health benefits from soothing colic to helping in the prevention of cot death. Well as we are about to see swaddling has now moved into the 21st century with a Cozy Cocoon. Jola Filipek who sells be Cocoon and Abby Fullock and her baby Megan are here to show us how to it works. Hi! there Megan look she is going to fall asleep. He is the perfect baby I love that.
So I first I have got to start with you have got to fit us in on this whole swaddling thing, I know what it is that just for those don’t, what is swaddling?
Jola Filipek: Well swaddling basically is just wrapping a baby quite tightly that’s why I think for the last 20 or 30 people just refuse doing this because they are afraid to swaddle a baby very-very tightly.
Jonas Hurst: Whereas now.
Jola Filipek: Whereas now it’s coming back.
Jonas Hurst: Yeah because when you have the baby now they teach new mothers in the hospital. Did you guys shown how to swaddle a baby in the hospital.
Abby Fullock: Yeah the first thing the midwives do is swaddle them in two blankets and have them all wrapped up nice and tight.
Jonas Hurst: The idea obviously being that it’s like being in the womb and it is sort of tight compact space and why do we do it, why is it good for the baby?
Jola Filipek: The babies just feel safe and secure because they were banging sight for almost 9 month in this kind of environment so why when they just coming out to support them with similar thing.
Jonas Hurst: It’s essentially a comforting thing then, we know that the baby likes it what kind of evidence is that – do they make the baby happier or they behave, I mean mechanism for being swaddled now, so that’s the problem, what is the evidence?
Jola Filipek: Well, when it’s for baby you can see on their face, they feel better, so we say they are happy.
Jonas Hurst: So how would you swaddle Megan using the Crazy Cocoon.
Abby Fullock: So when she is ready for the bed
Jonas Hurst: Just heard the word and she is happy.
Abby Fullock: Let me just lie her down on my laps, so she is nice and comfortable and then you gather the cocoon up as if you are putting on a socky stuff you just gather it all up, put it over her feet and then you can just slowly switch it up and there you go.
Jonas Hurst: And that’s and the idea being that now I think she is also tightly wrapped in that you, tuck her arms in.
Abby Fullock: I don’t tuck her arms any longer as you probably just notice she does normally suck her thumb a lot of the time so she prefers her arms to be out now, when she was new born now it’s three weeks we first got it, we did put her arms in because we found that she is waking up in the night when she was flailing her arms around, they would go in front of her face and she get quite scared.
Jonas Hurst: Well it’s a cool sign of a reflex thing isn’t it, babies do it, they don’t mean to do it but their arms and legs start doing it and it shocks them. So this would prevent that from happening. But also I guess the other thing is restriction of growth this is going to come a time where you need to have their arms out is that alright.
Jola Filipek: It’s about 3-4 months –- but I have couple of customers they actually having right now the large size which is upto six months so all this depends with the baby.
Jonas Hurst: This is working isn’t that, look at that and do you well cloths all the time underneath that or can it just be a nappy.
Abby Fullock: I could probably use the nappy but now it’s getting the winter months we find that we prefer to put her in a long sleep baby grow out nights as well. So when their arms are out she doesn’t get too cold.
Jonas Hurst: Oh! Well and the temperature is surely is quite warm and snug in there which is a good thing but to be worried about them being too warm.
Jola Filipek: Well you just have to check your baby basically and back up your neck if it’s too hot just take one off that’s it.
Jonas Hurst: Is it for all day or is it essentially for sleep time.
Jola Filipek: I would say for a sleep time but most of the babies are actually are living in that Cocoon so my one, my little Victoria she lived in that Cocoon for 3 months.
Jonas Hurst: And there is nothing wrong with that.
Jola Filipek: No.
Jonas Hurst: So let’s get a bit of a background here, why did you start looking into this, why have you created the Crazy Cocoon.
Jola Filipek: Well its not my product it’s American product but I discover that product when my baby was born 2 years ago, we do swaddling in Poland and I was fed up with the normal blanket, I just couldn’t learned a way, now it’s quite [cross talk] and when you are breast feeding when you are very tired and in middle of the night you just don’t want to wrap your baby, you are just too tired to do it.
Jonas Hurst: Yeah so it’s a lot easier just pulling on itself as we said. Now what I really want to get is what made you think that you need it something like this I mean there is story about you are going on a trip on South America. Tell us about that.
Jola Filipek: That’s right before babies we decide to go to have a trip to South America and the first thing we tried to discover was no crying babies around.
Jonas Hurst: You want say just noticed there was no crying babies in general.
Jola Filipek: No crying babies in general.
Jonas Hurst: And I notice the similar thing.
Jola Filipek: Before I was nanny for couple of months in London and that the crying babies was such a normal thing and well you just left the baby and the baby was crying and the people were saying just leave them they have to cry.
Jonas Hurst: Whereas in Mexico and South Americans Countries.
Jola Filipek: There are no crying babies.
Jonas Hurst: And why because.
Jola Filipek: Because moms there are wearing their babies on their back or in the front and what I discovered they were close to their babies just holding them cuddling down giving them hug.
Jonas Hurst: Yeah it’s an interesting thing isn’t that, it’s a culture things I remember reading an article recently that was basically saying how everyone says now should leave your baby to cry and there is nothing with the baby the baby is fine leave him to cry, but I read this article the women who wrote it was saying why did I, it’s unnatural thing to do and she actually mentioned African culture where as soon as the baby is born, the baby doesn’t leave the mother side, they carry around them 24 hours a day in a kind of a blanket so it’s much like swaddling type of thing and the babies never cry, they just feel happier, they feel content, so why do we do, why do we need the baby crying.
Jola Filipek: Just cool them and cuddle them, as much as you can, they are growing very fast and it’s not just as mothers’ doctors when we said when you are in the hospital they teach you how to do it, but also I mean I know some pediatrician doctors may say whenever they are rattly procedures whether it was taking blood or something that’s not particularly nice for the baby, they now swaddle a baby before and after just because it is proven, the baby are not happy about that and Megan loves it and do you actual difference between Megan when she is being swaddled and isn’t being swaddled.
Abby Fullock: Absolutely specially when they are new born, they just sleep so much of the time and as you say you can’t keep wrapping them in blankets especially at times when you napping, when you are soothing them so it’s just so much easier when you put the cocoon on she doesn’t actually calm down right quickly because she kick her legs a little bit realize that she cant get in the huge amount and just again just calms down very quickly.
Jonas Hurst: So what would you say to people that here with the flip side of the coin and say that the baby is not in the womb anymore they are out in the real wide world why you are trying to keep it in a womb like state. Let the baby get out in the real wide world they have got to move their hands and legs, they have got to get used to not being connected to mother the whole time.
Abby Fullock: Absolutely but I think Jola mentioned earlier is when you are born it’s just an instant thing you can’t make all, you’re choosing so much all the time everyday she is doing something new and trying to understand where she is the world so you don’t want to say, well, okay, sleep on your own in a blanket off he go. I want to help you make that transition a little bit, its going to make it little bit easier for you and it’s quite nice and cozy when you think of yourself when you are cold and wintery you wrap myself in a nice blanket and things.
Jonas Hurst: It’s a little bit like a sleeping bag isn’t that. It’s just going to hold this up, we will see various colors and design and sizes which is important thing this is obviously very trendy leopard skin one. Can you do me a favor can you hold her out a bit so we can see her in that Crazy Cocoon which is a – let’s talk about sizes, Megan is how old?
Abby Fullock: Ten and half weeks.
Jonas Hurst: Ten and half weeks and you done this from birth and how long you foresee doing it for.
Abby Fullock: Apparently she goes out of it.
Jonas Hurst: What are the largest sizes what do they go upto.
Jola Filipek: We have up to six months.
Abby Fullock: At least until four months, when it starts to get warm possibly I might stop around, because she wont need it then.
Jonas Hurst: Okay and you don’t think it’s obviously not over doing it, I mean it makes it easy for the parents about the child is happy, parents happy. Okay and then the last thing I want to ask is when it is not a good idea to swaddle a baby or to use the crazy cocoon, I mean is there a time where it is not a good idea.
Jola Filipek: I don’t think so, may be when it is very-very-very hot during the very hot summer but it’s quite unlikely to be.
Jonas Hurst: And like we said earlier it’s kind of common sense if their hands and legs they are kicking and that means they want to move their hands and legs and you know that’s enough.
Abby Fullock: Some babies don’t like to be swaddled and you will get you clues from your baby if they are not enjoying it, stop may be trying them to introduce and at the time but definitely it’s worth a treat for her and we’ve had a lot of sleepless nights, had we not?
Jonas Hurst: The perfect example of perfect baby to come in and talk about is because she has been absolutely angelic brilliant. Okay well Jola, Abby and Megan thank you very much for coming in.
Abby Fullock: Thank you.
Jola Filipek: Thank you.
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